What Am I Doing?
Look Guys. I have a problem with drinking, and women.
I can't keep myself from taking advantage of my friends wife(s).
I guess I have burned all my bridges, and perhaps I should consider moving out of the state.
What a Load of Crap.
I'm sorry that some of you got emails from Derek & Lindsay. those two don't have much good to say about me at the moment. I guess they have decided to shift the responcability for their failing marrige from them, to me.
Sure, I kissed her, but it was a very mutual thing that happened between two drunk people. It didn't last long before we both stopped, and realized that we shouldn't have done that. Lindsay asked me never to tell anyone, so I never did. Months later, the two of them team up on me to make it seem like I raped this woman. this is very hard, and hurtful to me.
luckly, many of my friends that got the email replied in my behalf before I even knew that email had been sent out. I'm just glad to know that I have friends that know me well enough, and will stand up for me.
I can't keep myself from taking advantage of my friends wife(s).
I guess I have burned all my bridges, and perhaps I should consider moving out of the state.
What a Load of Crap.
I'm sorry that some of you got emails from Derek & Lindsay. those two don't have much good to say about me at the moment. I guess they have decided to shift the responcability for their failing marrige from them, to me.
Sure, I kissed her, but it was a very mutual thing that happened between two drunk people. It didn't last long before we both stopped, and realized that we shouldn't have done that. Lindsay asked me never to tell anyone, so I never did. Months later, the two of them team up on me to make it seem like I raped this woman. this is very hard, and hurtful to me.
luckly, many of my friends that got the email replied in my behalf before I even knew that email had been sent out. I'm just glad to know that I have friends that know me well enough, and will stand up for me.
posted by Jared Thiele at
11:55 PM
10 Comments:
wha? is this for reals?
J, you should post the email so people know what it is your refering to. I think most of the forest heights crew weren't on that infamous email list.
i knew kirchoff wasn't your maiden name....
this is what Derek Icler wrote in an email to about 25 people, most of these people don't even know who he is.
ared,
A couple of months ago, you tried to french my wife when you walked
her home from the VFW. That is just sick. You are hideous. To be honest,
I'm not all that surprised that you'd try to take advantage of a woman who
was obviously intoxicated. I am surprised that you would completely betray
our trust and effectively throw our friendship in the garbage. We actually
thought you were our friend and not some sicko creep.
I can't even bring myself to be all that mad at you because you are
just so sad and pathetic. You know, I used to be proud of the fact that
we were still good friends after everything we went through back in the
day. I respected you because despite how rough it was for you at first
when Lindsay and I first got together, you eventually accepted it. You
even seemed to be happy for us once it became apparent that we were
going to start a family. I thought we'd always be cool from there on
out.
Well so much for all that. What you did is inexcusable,
indefensible, and unforgivable. I think it's needless to say that we
don't ever need to see your face again. I don't know when or why you've
become such a disgusting human being but I do think you need some
serious help. You have got to be pretty damn detached from reality to do
what you did. Your attitude toward women in particular has evolved into
something scarier than I care to elaborate on. If you ever wise up,
you'll get out of town, move in with your parents for a while, seek
counseling, and START OVER! I think you've blown it here, son. People are
too nice to tell you that you've become a drunken belligerent douchebag.
I'm really sorry that it had to come to this. Certainly the last
thing I want to do is lose one of the few close friends I have left. What
choice do I have? You have to know how I feel and everyone ought to know
what you did. You can be a man and own up to your mistakes and get some
help. But if you prefer, you can be a hack and make excuses for yourself
and tell everyone that I'm a liar, or my wife is a liar, or you were too
drunk or whatever. If that's the case, I just hope you don't take too
many people with you on your way to ROCK BOTTOM.
Your former friend,
Derek Ickler
and thne this is what lindsay sent out to all the same people. most of whom don't know her either.
I realize some of you are 'appalled' that you've been involed in this
situation and given this I must say I'm suprised that those people have
taken to talking so much shit about me.
I realize you may not know me as well as you know Jared, but why is it that
the girl in these kinds of situations is always automatically assumed to be
at fault? Jared was my friend too, and so were/are all of these people this
open letter went out to. I didn't do anything except put trust in a friend
that I could go out and have a good time without being taken advantage of.
That trust was totally violated.
Jared's actions made me feel humiliated, confused and grossed out. The fact
that he would treat a seemingly good friend the way he did tells me and
Derek that he has some kind of emotional and mental issues he needs to deal
with. By letting all of his friends know this, we thought maybe he could
get some help.
Just for the record, Josh, I was nothing but faithful to Jared when we were
dating, and I am still a devoted partner to my husband and can assure any
doubters that a greatly prefer my husband's company to that of anyone else
on the face of the earth with the possible exception of our two children.
I really don't appreciate any insinuations that I am playing games here. I
take this very seriously, hence the need for a public forum.
I'm sure Jared will continue to spread his made-up version of events, past
and present, but I thought that as someone who was wronged I should have
the opportunity to tell my 'side' of the story since I will never have a
chance otherwise.
Just because you've "never seen someone do something to deliberately hurt
someone else" does not mean they aren't capable of doing so.
I am sorry that I've lost so many good aquaintances over something that I
had no control over but I understand that friends will stick together,
especially when its 'his word against hers'. But, I couldn't just let this
situation go or pretend it never happened, as easy as that would have been.
Even if you all still refuse to believe what I know is true, maybe you can
at least pay closer attention to Jared's actions and attitudes towards
women in the future and be aware of any red flags. (this one would be a big
one).
Thats my piece, sorry for any unseemly drama I realize all of this is very
stupid, but it has its place. At least now you'll all know why we'll be
having nothing to do with Jared in the future. And hopefully this is done
now.
I hope none of you ever find yourself in a similar situation, cause it
really sucks and I'm really sad and hurt by all of it.
Regretfully,
Lindsay
Yeah that was some pretty muffed up bearshit.
I withheld my reply of "Hey Derek, this is none of our fucking business" because enough people had already responded.. but sheesh louise, what a retard.
Back story on this for those that don't know:
1. Jared dates Lyndsay.
2. Lyndsay cheats on Jared w/ J's good friend Derek I.
3. They make babies and get married.
4. Jared manages to stay friends with them.
5. Jared develops a PROBLEM with "drinking and women."
6. Derek I. puts Jared on cyber-blast.
7. Everyone thinks Derek I. is a total mangina.
8. Jared KEEPS ON GETTING FUCKIN CRUNKED UP AND SMASHING MAD PUSSY FOR DAYS H/]:]:/24WQHOE'()()'!!
Jared, why can't you just be thankful THEY'RE TOTALLY TRYING TO HELP YOU!
Please, just don't bring me down with you on your way ro ROCK-BOTTOMSVILLE!
Does anyone want to get a drink at rock bottom brewery? I here there are plenty of wives there, just looking to be taken advantage of.
You mean Rock Bottom in Apple Valley, right? I thought you LEFT TOWN AND STARTED OVER!
i hate to bust out psych 101 here, and this is all glaringly obvious, but let me lay down a few basic principles.
1. People who are "happily" married tend not to email, say 20 people or so, who have no idea what is going on, shit like this. Come to think of it, people just don't do this in general.
2. When people take a coordinated, fucked up action like this, they are: a) COMPENSATING FOR THEIR MISTAKES, b) transfering blame, c) trying to head off rumors with character assassination, or d) trying to bond again, despite their own actions, through creating a common enemy. This looks like all of the above.
So, Jared, in case you're in doubt, you're one of the most honest, straightforward, upstanding people I've met. No one I'd put any faith into, including these fucks, would describe you as a drunken belligerent anything. If they cared about you, they would tell this to your face instead of this fucking character assassination. Write these fools off, and don't worry about yourself.
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